if you think 100,000 swing voters who are unemployed who get new information doesn't make a difference in ohio, you're wrong. we can win -- that's the decisive vote in every election. >> last question, dan, what do you do about outsourcing, globalization, all these things that should be good for america have caused a lot of middle age guys, i know them, who have been thrown out of work? >> yeah, we have a lot of members too, they've been the people packing up their jobs and helping to outsource them and send them overseas. i think the critical thing to understand and what our members do understand is that this is caused by policy. these are trade deals like nafta that have caused this to happen and we can change that. it's a question of, do we make american workers, do we drag them down to the standards -- >> if the republicans get in, and i'm just telling you the facts that you already know, more trade deals, more globalization, more problems, and that's a fact of life.